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The Questions

What We Will Explore

Why can someone understand exactly where a pattern comes from and still find themselves responding as if the past is happening now? What allows an adaptation that was once necessary to become available for change?

Dan and Scott will unpack how trauma can shape the brain, body, sensory systems, memory, emotion, and relationships, and why healing cannot always be understood through any one of these systems in isolation.

Drawing from neuroplasticity, interpersonal neurobiology, and somatic psychology, they’ll examine how old patterns become reinforced, what allows new experiences to update what the brain and body have learned, and why integration may be central to lasting change.

At the heart of the conversation is a question with profound implications for trauma work:

If the brain remains capable of change, what actually creates the conditions that allow healing to happen?

Your Speakers

Meet Dr. Dan and Dr. Scott

Dr. Dan Siegel

Psychiatrist · Founder of Interpersonal Neurobiology

Daniel J. Siegel received his medical degree from Harvard University and completed his postgraduate medical education at UCLA with training in pediatrics and child, adolescent and adult psychiatry. He served as a National Institute of Mental Health Research Fellow at UCLA, studying family interactions with an emphasis on how attachment experiences influence emotions, behavior, autobiographical memory and narrative.

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Dr. Siegel is the author of numerous articles, chapters, and books, including the internationally acclaimed The Developing Mind (3rd Ed., Guilford, 2020), which introduced the field of interpersonal neurobiology. He is the Founding Editor of the Norton Professional Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology, now over 100 textbooks. His professional works include The Mindful Brain, The Mindful Therapist, Pocket Guide to Interpersonal Neurobiology, IntraConnected, and Personality and Wholeness in Therapy, which applies interpersonal neurobiology to the Enneagram.

For general readers, he wrote Mindsight and the New York Times bestsellers Mind and Aware, which teaches his Wheel of Awareness practice. He has also written six parenting books, including the bestsellers Brainstorm, The Whole-Brain Child, and No-Drama Discipline, plus The Yes Brain, The Power of Showing Up, and Parenting from the Inside Out. His work has been translated into over 40 languages.

Dr. Scott Lyons

Psychologist · Somatic TherapistFounder of The Embody Lab

Dr. Scott Lyons is a licensed holistic psychologist, educator, and author of Addicted to Drama: Healing Dependency on Crisis and Chaos in Yourself and Others (Hachette). He also hosts The Gently Used Human Podcast, a depthful and often hilarious exploration of what it means to be human.

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A renowned body-based trauma expert, Doctor of Osteopathy (Spain), and mind-body medicine specialist, Scott has taught over half a million people worldwide over the past 20 years how to relieve stress, restore vitality, and break free from cycles of pain and trauma. He has also worked as an executive coach and wellness consultant to many top leaders and CEOs. His extensive training includes certifications in Body-Mind Centering™, Somatic Experiencing, craniosacral therapy, visceral manipulation, clinical hypnotherapy, and yoga (E-RYT 500), along with a PhD in Clinical Psychology and Mind-Body Medicine.

Scott has been featured in The New York Times, Forbes, The Guardian, National Geographic, and Goop, and has appeared on The Mel Robbins Podcast, We Can Do Hard Things, and The Jordan Harbinger Show.

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A Question Worth Asking

Have We Confused Regulation With Calm?

One of the questions Dan and Scott will take on is whether some of what we’ve come to call nervous system regulation may actually be getting in the way of healing.

Regulation has become one of the most widely used ideas in trauma work, often associated with becoming calmer, reducing activation, or returning to a more comfortable internal state. But a well-regulated system isn’t necessarily a quiet one, and healing isn’t simply the ability to feel less.

What if regulation is better understood as the capacity to remain connected and adaptive across a much wider range of experience?

Dan’s work in interpersonal neurobiology offers an important lens here. Integration involves allowing different parts of a system to remain differentiated while becoming more connected. Rather than maintaining one ideal state, an integrated system has greater capacity for flexibility, adaptability, coherence, and stability.

Dan and Scott will explore where our current understanding of regulation may have become too narrow, how attempts to control or avoid activation can sometimes reinforce the patterns we are trying to change, and what becomes possible when the goal shifts from simply reducing discomfort to expanding our capacity to experience, integrate, and respond.

Brain · Body · Mind · Connection

Two Perspectives on What Makes Change Possible

Dan and Scott approach trauma healing from different but deeply complementary perspectives.

Dan Siegel

Interpersonal Neurobiology

Dan’s work in interpersonal neurobiology examines the relationships among brain, mind, body, and human connection, placing integration at the center of mental health and well-being.

Scott Lyons

Somatic Psychology & Mind-Body Medicine

Scott’s work in somatic psychology and mind-body medicine examines how stress and trauma become organized through the nervous and sensory systems, perception, movement, emotion, and embodied experience.

Together, they’ll explore what happens when we stop looking at trauma through a single system and instead consider healing as a process involving the ongoing relationship between brain, body, mind, sensation, and connection.

For Practitioners

Want to Take This Further?

For practitioners who want to translate these ideas more deeply into clinical practice, The Embody Lab’s Applied Neuroscience for Trauma Healing Certificate explores how trauma shapes the neural, sensory, emotional, relational, and physiological systems that organize human experience, and how practitioners can learn to recognize and work with these adaptations with greater precision.

You’ll have an opportunity to learn more about the certificate following the conversation.

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FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions

Who is this event for?

This conversation is especially relevant for therapists, psychologists, counselors, social workers, somatic practitioners, coaches, healthcare professionals, and others working with trauma, stress, attachment, anxiety, dissociation, and nervous system adaptation. It is also open to anyone with a serious interest in understanding the neuroscience of trauma and healing.

Do I need a background in neuroscience?

No. Dan and Scott are both known for making complex ideas accessible without stripping away their nuance. The conversation is designed to be meaningful whether you already work with neuroscience in your practice or are beginning to explore it.

Will the conversation only focus on nervous system regulation?

No. Regulation is one of the ideas Dan and Scott will examine, but the conversation is broader. They’ll explore neuroplasticity, integration, memory, sensation, perception, emotion, relationships, and the ways the brain and body adapt to traumatic experience.

Will I learn more about the Applied Neuroscience for Trauma Healing Certificate?

Yes. The live conversation is designed to stand on its own as a substantive educational event. For practitioners interested in going further, there will also be an opportunity to learn about The Embody Lab’s Applied Neuroscience for Trauma Healing Certificate.